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Path: coranto.ucs.mun.ca!gnoel
From: [e-mail] (George Noel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: The March Amiga?
Date: 16 Jan 1996 10:30:10 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
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Summary: Your phrase.. apples/oranges
Keywords: New or secondhand?

In article <4de7ue$[e-mail]>,
Byron Montgomerie <[e-mail]> wrote:
>George Noel ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: To appreciate it? No it doesn't, a cheap price with decent capabilties is
>: all it needs to sell, especially the Surfer bundle.. people will see it
>
>Agreed, although what AT considers a cheap price could get you a 486 running
>TCP software.

You would only get this second hand and God knows what the computer has
been through.  The 486s have been discontinued, A1200s are still being
made and supported in other parts of the world and will be supported here
in North America again soon too.  Any prices you see now for 486s is to
clear house but were you not complaining about Commodore supposedly doing
this in another post?

>: >Comparing prices, PCs and amigas are around the same.  With PCs you get
>: >standards and cheap upgrades but bulky software and you generally have to buy a
>: >bundle of hardware to start.  With the amiga you get proprietariness up the
>
>: HAR! Oh I have got to quote this.. "With PCs you get standards" HAR!
>
>Sure, lots of standards. :)  At least there are some and they are all
>supported.  You can't keep any cards you have when you move from one model of
>amiga to another.  With the PC you simply pick a motherboard that supports the
>cards you have.  (PCI + VL is a bad idea though)

Thus the problems with no standards and software writers having to keep
guessing what everyone is using or have to write multiple drivers to make
sure their software gets used by a majority of people.  I don't want to
have to contend with that on future Amigas!

>: You must be talking about the low end Amiga then huh which is meant to be
>: good enough as is and expand when you need to and have the cash to.
>: Resent getting an Amiga? If so, then why do you not have a PC since then
>: are "basically the same price". >:->
>
>If you are disputing the same price thing consider:
>
>CDN pricing,
>
>$1600 P80 with $300 SVGA monitor, $280 850 MB hard drive, $200 CDROM drive.
>(Not to mention the HD floppy, 8 megs of ram etc.)

Where to? And do you mean the $1600 P80 is the total price or the rest of
the prices have to be added onto it?  The Hard Drive, is it SCSI or IDE,
how about the CD-ROM drive? Those drives can also be used on Amiga, the
RAM can be used in Amigas, depending what Amiga you have will determine
if you can use a VGA/SVGA monitor standard and if you can't, then you can
buy an adapter (BTW I have seen a cheap VGA/SVGA monitor being used on an
Amiga locally in town)  Those prices are they local or out of province?
Are they in dealers, department stores or at Warehouse places such as
Business Depot or Price Club?  Does that configuration have
brand-name/known parts or no name parts which will cause
configurability/compatibility problems and is listed in Windows '95 list
of non supported hardware? If you are so happy about this machine then
you should have one when you decide to upgrade otherwise you are
comparing Chevettes with Lamborghinis or should I say Volkswagons with.. :)

>This versus:
>
>$800 amiga 1200.  Which you have to use with a tv, find an old rgb

Depending on the uses, a TV is fine starting off, at least that way you
can carry the computer from one place to another without dragging along a
huge monitor also and possibly breaking it in the process.

>monitor a year away from deaths door, or a multisync which can cost as much as
>the machine.  A machine you have to hack a 3.5" ide hard drive into or fork out

Not all RGB monitors are like that.. I have seen ones running for years
without a problem.  Multisyncs are unique and get sold less thus the
higher price.. but you pay for quality if you need it.

As for the 3.5" IDE drive, cheaper yes but there are SCSI options
available for the A1200 also though more cash forked out upgrading and if
you really want to save that money and have enough knowledge about
putting the 3.5" drive in yourself then you are going to do it otherwise
most people would stick with 2.5" or go SCSI.  I have never agreed with
the A1200 having an IDE HD interface anyways, I'd much prefer SCSI.


>extra cash for a 2.5" one on a machine that is not a laptop.  A machine you
>have to buy a card for to add ram or connect external devices to.

But it is as close to a laptop as you can get apart from the new PAWS A1200.

With the adding a card for ram obviously you are talking about the
current A1200, we already know this is going to change.  As for adding
external devices via a card, you have to realize Byron, what you save in
the initial price you have to make up for by upgrading it when you find
it neccessary.  You are comparing a low end all in one Amiga to powerfull
PCs which can be considered high end and are built to be easily expanded
or come with stuff already installed, the Amiga 1200 is not like that and
if you don't like it, then get the next higher up Amiga in which you will
be able to compare it to PCs a bit more.

When the A1200 first came out it was heralded as the cheapest most
powerful computer on the market, don't say "what has changed since then?"
this is where the Amiga needs to go again, be the cheapest computer for
the most power STANDARD!

-=*George*=-